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Headlights Not Working

Hello good people,

I have yet another problem with my 2008 Kia RIO5 SX.
This time a bit more serious than my other small problems.
I've always gotten good advice and help here, so let's try his one.

My headlights will not come on, but let me explain a little.
My low beams and high beams will not light up.
The high beams will light up when you pull the light switch towards you, what would be considered a flash.
But when I place the light switch in the forward position ...to lock the highs on, they don't come on.
The low beams won't come on no matter what I do.
All the other outside lights work ...brake, parking, plate, fog, etc...
I've changed the bulbs out and still get the same results.

I've heard, and read, on here to check the headlight fuse and relay.
I've found the fuse and it looks good, but I can't locate the relay.

I've also read that in an extreme case it may be the switch itself???

Could somebody tell me where the relay is located and what the label of it is?
Because I'm not seeing it under the hood in the relay tray there. Or maybe I am and it's just labeled something else???

Luckily I have another car that I can drive after dark, but it sure would suck to get caught out after dark in this car where the headlights don't work.
This is the first major problem I've had with the car.
I have had some smaller problems which I have been able to take care of due to help from this forum.

Thanks in advance!


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Hello good person... :-)
I spent some insane time on Windows to get you this..
(I run Kubuntu (Linux) and try to stay away from Microsoft as much as possible)
kiatechinfo.com ONLY likes Windows and Internet Explorer so I'm forced to use the software.

Your wiring for headlights is fairly simple and I captured the schematic diagrams for you..
The wiring is the same for 2005~2010..

Looks like you may have a bad multi-function light switch causing your problems..
that's where your low and high beams go through...

Here's the diagrams. I put them on my google drive..
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-Yu...it?usp=sharing

Here's an ebay listing...
SM1221 93410 1G000 Headlight Turn Signal Dimmer Switch OEM Hyundia KIA | eBay

Hope this gets you back on the road at night...
Now back to Linux...
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Well if it's the switch, I can get a new one on Rockauto for around 35.00. I was trying to save up money to take it to the dealer to have them do a checkout on it.
But now I'm thinking, just buy the new switch and install it.
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Ended up getting the one from your link.
They look pretty good and they're "new".
I bet the switch is the problem.
I mean, I've checked just about everything in between..
HL bulbs replaced ...still works on flashing high beams, but not constant.
Checked all the fuses.
I noticed something else too.
When I pull the switch back, to flash the high beams, the high beam indicator (the blue light) on the cluster comes on.
When I push the switch forward into the high beam position, the high beam indicator on the cluster doesn't come on.

If the new switch doesn't work, at least I've replaced it with a new part that's relatively cheap (39.00 vs what the dealer would probably charge ...at least 100) and that's one more link in the problem that the dealer can't charge me for, because I know it's new...
Dealer ...you need new headlights
Me ...uh no I don't those are brand new
Dealer ...You need a new multifunction switch
Me ...nope try again, and I hope your not charging me labor time while your coming up with these fixes I already know aren't the problem....
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I'm concerned with the phrase, "I've found the fuse and it looks good". A fuse should be checked with a meter so you know it is good. Another way to check it is to swap it with a fuse that you know works and make sure the other system works using the headlight fuse. I'd try that before I bought any parts.
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I have looked through the electrical wiring for this car and I agree with him replacing the multifunction stalk switch.... Under $40 won't even pay for 1/3hr labor diagnostics at the dealer...and it won't break the bank...
Bryan...
keep us posted on what you found..
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You're melding together 2 different sentences.
I said the new multifunction stalk switched looked good and in another sentence stated that I checked all the fuses.
But to satisfy you, ...The headlight fuses, below the dash on the drivers side, are super easy to check. If they're broken, or blown, it can be clearly seen through the clear plastic housing. Better yet, hold the fuse under a magnifying glass. Any separation clearly states a blown fuse. Although I also did a switch with a known good fuse. No luck.
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I have looked through the electrical wiring for this car and I agree with him replacing the multifunction stalk switch.... Under $40 won't even pay for 1/3hr labor diagnostics at the dealer...and it won't break the bank...
Bryan...
keep us posted on what you found..
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Tracked the package and it's in town as of this evening.
Delivery tomorrow and I'll try to install it then too.
I WILL keep you posted.
I really hope this works. With Dave's and my own research, it seems like it will work. There's really nowhere else to look because, as I eventually found out , the relay for the headlights is embedded in the switch.
To replace the relay you have to replace the switch.
Btw I also ran ODBII (have my own reader) on the car and nothing showed up there either.

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Okay ...problem solved!!!

Got the new Multifunction Switch and 10 minutes later headlights are working.

Easy, cheap, fix.

3 screws to remove the upper and lower steering shaft covers.
Remove the wiring harness from the switch.
Depress a plastic tab on the side of the switch.
Slide the switch unit off the bracket track.
Unit slides in and out of a solid bracket attached to the steering stem.
Slide the new one in till it clicks and reconnect the wiring harness.
Put the shrouds back on.
Boom, your done.


That would have easily run in the 300 to 500 range at the dealer, with the price of the new switch at dealer mark-up around 150.

Tested it out and the bright indicator, that didn't come on, now comes on.

The relay is built into the switch assembly.

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Now aren't you glad you became part of kia-forums?
Told Ya I believed it was the problem!
GLAD it solved you problem(s)
BTW... there is no "relay" within the switch..
Now come back and help others ...
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