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#1 (permalink) Old 10-11-2010, 08:12 PM
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So I know this will be long, but I want ya'll to get the whole run down. My wife's Rio died while I was deployed. The timing belt snapped and caused it to bend two intake valves. Got the belt changed and the head worked with new valves and it ran like a champ for about 200 miles. Now every time she puts gas in the car it cranks but won't start. I checked the fuel pump relay and swapped it and no difference. Myself, and a mechanic checked for spark and it had it. We checked with a load light at the fuel pump relay and had power. If the car sits for a few hours it will crank and start running fine, but when she puts gas in it again it once again cranks but wont start. I changed the fuel pump and it is still doing it. Once it cranks the first time it will crank and run fine again and again until we put fuel in. It also has codes p0171 and p0446 for too lean and EVAP. I need some help bad, guys.
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First of all ....Thank You for serving your country and making the world a safer place to live.

I'm basing my thoughts on one "key" sentence "but when she puts gas in it again it once again cranks but wont start"

I believe you have a problem with one of three parts...
1 The "canister close valve" (CCV) (P0446)
2 The "purge control solenoid valve" (PCSV)
3 The fuel tank pressure sensor (FTPS)

I tend to believe the CCV is sticking open (P0446) or the PCSV is stuck closed creating a vacuum condition in your gas tank. The fuel pump has to work against this vacuum and can't pump enough gas. (P0171 Too Lean).

The FTPS may also be sending an error condition on either too high or too low pressure in the gas tank. This sender "reports" directly to the ECM (engine control module). The ECM decides on if the conditions are correct BEFORE it will allow the engine to start.

Try also removing the gas cap (equalizing pressure in gas tank) and then try starting the car... If it starts you either have a vacuum or pressure problem involving the gas tank or with the fume collection cannister and/or above valves.

I hope this helps...
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Thanks man I will be tearing into it in a couple days to try what you said. Would you happen to have a pic or location of that canister? I am a handy DIY guy, but I have always worked on my own Chevrolets an this KIA is pretty foreign to me LOL
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Alright I got the canister conrtol valve. Crazy expensive for a small valve!! Can someone give me some pointers on the location of this think and best way around changing it in my driveway. Is it pretty accesible or under heatshields or what? I will be changing it prob tomorrow when wife is off work.
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Alright I got the canister conrtol valve. Crazy expensive for a small valve!! Can someone give me some pointers on the location of this think and best way around changing it in my driveway. Is it pretty accesible or under heatshields or what? I will be changing it prob tomorrow when wife is off work.

Charcoal canister valve is attached to the charcoal canister on the edge of the fuel tank. Its open access and I think you can access it without having to lower the fuel tank. Hope this helps.

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I changed out the canister close valve and went to the gas station to test to see if it was fixed. Once the car had some gas I tried to crank it and once again the same prob. I will try and move on to the next part on the list. I was also thinking that maybe since the emchanic worked the head while I was gone, that with the solenoid being in the engine bay maybe he jacked it up so I will check it out tomorow.
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Sorry it has been so long since I updated this thread. Well I visually inspected around the pcsv and checked the hoses going to and from it. The wiring and all looked good when I pulled back tape and the wire loom so I retaped all that up and the hoses are kind of dry rotted, but not too bad. Connection felt good and I pulled the valve out to inspect it and it looked ok. Just can't bring myself to pay another 120 from KIA for this part not knowing if it is a def fix. Looking around junkyards to find one that will fit from an 06 to 08 rio. Seems funny to me that all this started happening right after the mechanic had the head off working on everything while I was in school in Alabama.
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Was wondering if the purge valve stuck open...possibly a chunk of debris stuck in the seat or the like, would cause an abnormally lean condition as it is a vacuum leak. Would set the evap code too.

Also, when you are filling the tank, if that valve is open the rising fuel level might be pushing fumes into the intake manifold. This would cause it to act like it is flooded and not start.

Have you tried holding the throttle to the floor when it won't start? This is a 'flood mode' and shuts off the injectors. Plus, it moves a lot of air quickly and should clear out the intake if it is full of fumes.
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I have the exact same problems. Prior to these conditions I was getting the code for the purge valve. I see that you changed the ccv and that did not fix the problem, I will try the purge valve and post my results. I'm actually getting codes 171, 446 and 507. However, I can get the car to start if I do what Recoilrob mention about holding the throttle to the floor until the car idle correctly. Thanks RecoilRob for that info, that gave me confident in replacing the purge valve.

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illcal, did solve the problem? Was it the purge valve that was causing it?

I have exactly the same issue... only at gas stations and upon filling up I have to crank the engine with the gas pedal to the floor and let it run for a while until the RPMs stabilize and I can get back on the road.

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I have the exact same problems. Prior to these conditions I was getting the code for the purge valve. I see that you changed the ccv and that did not fix the problem, I will try the purge valve and post my results. I'm actually getting codes 171, 446 and 507. However, I can get the car to start if I do what Recoilrob mention about holding the throttle to the floor until the car idle correctly. Thanks RecoilRob for that info, that gave me confident in replacing the purge valve.
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