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#1 · (Edited)
This is a Project, and I will need your Help to Successfully finish it,

so any Advice, Idea, Experiences and Suggestions are very Welcome. :)


So, I am perfectionist and I somehow "Need" that my cars run Mechanically as near as Perfect could be Possible, but my Wife's "KiaStein" needs monthly adjustments to the Rear Drum Brake's Shoes and I'm getting very Tired doing that monthly adjustment.

(More info, ~► Here.)

Not only because it is a Pain in the Rear to do such simple Job, due to the Lack of a well designed way to adjust 'em from the outside (There is an unuseful misaligned tiny hole in the Back of the Backing Plate and I never found a tool capable to "Magically" reach the adjuster thru it) and thus mean that you "Need" to remove the Whole Drum to do the Adjustment (many times 'till is done right), but also Because I suffer from Deep & Horrid Gout Foot Attacks some times per year, and during those days, I couldn't do that adjustment and I have to drive my Wife's "KiaStein" because is Automatic and thus mean to use only one foot...

The Rear Drum Brake system found on the Second Gen Sephia uses a Ratcheting Cam (Named "Strut" by Kia) that is suposed to take up play as Brake Shoes wear, but definitively, such thing doesn't work at all due to their bad design, and as the rear brake shoes wear, their surface gets farther from the rotating drum and during braking, the rear wheels spin freely while the fronts are doing the braking effort, because the rear brake pumps can't handle well the extra distance without a useful automatic shoes adjuster, that means that the rear shoes are barely "Touching" the Drums under Braking, while the fronts could be at Maximum clamping force.

So, in order to compensate the normal wear on the rear shoes, the car needs Monthly adjustments to the Rear Drum Brakes to Keep said shoes as near to the Rotating drum as possible, and thus means to have a firm & tall brake pedal, and ensure that it has the proper braking power to be Safe... but I'm really tired of doing that, I already tried with new Adjusters, springs, etc... it is a Faulty design that never worked at all.

Kia found the only Real solution to that problem: To install Factory Rear Disc Brakes.

I Know that there was a "Top of the Line" second gen Kia Sephia (Premium) Model with Factory Rear Disc Brakes, but is not easy to come across one of those in Local Junk Yards.

So, the Questions Are:

Have anybody did the Rear Disc Brakes Swap or Retrofit on a 2000 Kia Sehia Before?

Where I could find Used parts from a Second Gen (1998 ~ 2001) Kia Sephia with Factory Rear Disc Brakes to do the Swap?

Does another Model's Rear Disc Brakes, fit onto the Sephia's Trail arms? ... in order to do a Retrofitting.

If so, which Model? ... Spectra? ... or Another Non Kia, such like Hyundai?

Could I use the Same Cables to enable the Park Brake function?

If someone comes across to a Sephia with Factory Rear Disc Brakes in Good Shape, I will buy 'em from you, so please let me Know.

Also let me Know if someone has already done such Swap or Retrofitting, and please point me to the Thread that has the Info
(I searched and found nothing).

Kind Regards.
 
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#2 ·
Hi Jeszek...
How many lug nuts are on the Sephia and what size rims doe they use?
If they are 4 lug what is the distance between the lugs?
I believe the newer Spectras are 100mm (3.937") like the older Honda rims.

You might want to pick up a "spare" rear Sephia hub and brake and then take that to your local salvage/junk yard and compare the mounting with one on the 04~09 Spectras (they have discs for braking and a drum for the ebrake)..
You would probably have to use the proportioning valve from the newer Spectra also so the fluid pressure would be the same percentage front to rear.

The reasoning behind the spare being the car won't have to be out of commission during your search...

You may get lucky with either the newer KIA Spectras or the newer Hyundai Elantras (06 and newer) as they share many parts between them..

Just some thoughts...
Dave
 
#3 ·
Thank you Dave for your Kind Reply. :)

Yes, the Sephia does have the Same 4X100 lug pattern as the '01 ~ '03 Spectras, and the Local Kia Dealer's mechanics said to me that they Share the Same Brake parts (¿:confused:?) in the Rear, with second Gen Sephias.

But I want to Know if that is REALLY TRUE, in example: If I find a Local Spectra from that era, with rear Disc Brakes and I Grab them,

► will those fit the Sephia's Trail Arms?

► Does that early Spectras use a Mixed Disc Brake + Drum Park Brake Design for the Rear?

► Will they Work?

Please let me Know...

Kind regards.
 
#4 ·
#5 ·
Greetings Jesek,

A silly question - does the Sephia use star adjuster wheels at the rear brake assembly?

Only ask, because IIRC, each star wheel (adjuster) is -keyed- to each wheel, e.g. one wheel is threaded left-hand, the other right-handed,

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* Is it possible you (switched) the wheel adjusters on a previous brake repair?

Regards,
GottaCruise
 
#7 · (Edited)
Greetings Jesek, ...
Greetings!


... does the Sephia use star adjuster wheels at the rear brake assembly? ...
No.

GottaCruse does have a good point there..
"if" you reversed the star adjusters (left and right) they would un-adjust themselves...
There's No Such "Star" adjusters on the Sephia.

I Wish they used that simpler design, 'cos usually the Star adjusters could be Reached from the Back (Behind) of the wheel hub, so removing the Wheel & thus the Drum isn't needed.

But no, Kia used a part that they named "Strut Adjuster" see the Photo on the next Quoted text, taken from the Above-Linked Thread:

First, I changed the Rear brake shoes and manually regulated the Brakes to the Top; the Pedal was stiff and Brake power good; while the Parking Brake Lever had enough power to Hold the car in the first two or three tooth. ... :) ...

After three weeks of everyday use, the Brake Pedal got Lower, while the Parking Brake lever needed six or seven tooth to engage. ... :( ...

After two Months of Use since the first regulation, the Rear Wheels' brakes where doing nothing, because the wear on the brake shoes was not compensated by the faulty self adjusting regulators, so the Shoes where too far way to let the rear wheel cylinder brakes do enough pressure to stop the car with the Brake Pedal, also the Parking Brake became a li'l less than Useless. ... :banghead: ...

After Trying to Clean everything up in the Rear Brakes, also trying the Self-regulating procedures used in other cars (Such like Applying the Parking Brake while the car is Moving Forward / Backward with and without pressing the Brake Pedal, etc...) without any success, many many times, I ended doing the Manual adjustment every Month.

Tired of that Monthly rear drum brakes Disassembly / Cleansing \ Regulation; I went to the Local Kia Dealer to buy a pair of Brand New Rear drum brake self adjusting Regulators:




I Really Don't know why Kia named those as "Struts" ... :confused: ... Maybe I'm Lost in Translation again.
Kind Regards.
 
#6 ·
GottaCruse does have a good point there..
"if" you reversed the star adjusters (left and right) they would un-adjust themselves...

The reason I suggested getting an extra hub/brake assembly is so you could compare the Sephias and the Spectra hub/brake ass'y on the Spectra donor sudo-axle in the bone yard.. Remove the Spectra hub/brake and see if the Sephia would mount up to the rear sudo-axle.

The disc/drum you highlighted looks to be the same as what is on my 06..
The 04~05 Specs have some differences from my 06 and the 07~09 have many changes beyond cosmetic sheet metal..Somewhere along the way they did away with the rear ebrake drums and used the discs and rotors for that purpose.. I have seen this on the 08 model I put rear pads on.

How is the "selection" of 05~09 Spectra donor parts s in Honduras?
I guess I could see how far I could get into mine and do some measurements on things like the four hub bolts to axle tube if you can't find the answer there..
Dave
 
#9 · (Edited)
Many Thanks for the Link with Useful Info!

This is the Kind of knowledge I'm Seeking, before starting the Project:

All together it probably took me 8 hours before I had everything set. I know others could do it in less time, though. ...
The e-brake cables for the discs are different than the ones for the drums. They are the same at the front-side of the car, but different at the calipers. As far as routing and securing them goes, however, its the same.

His Sephia:






 
#10 ·
So, Now I Need to get all the needed parts from the Rear Disc Brakes, out of a '01 or '02 Spectra, isn't it? ... I'll search on local Junk Yards but I Bet that all of those Spectras came here with Rear Drums...

So, if Anyone has access to those parts and is willing to Sell them to Me, please send me a P.M. and we could agree a Deal. :)

Kind Regards.
 
#11 ·
You could, but what I got from that thread is both conversions used -Sephia- rear Disc Brake assemblies (Spindles / back plates / hubs / calipers / e-brake cables) ..

If you get a moment, please take a pic or two of the rear brake setup on your 2000 Sephia and post up here - where / how the rear spindle hooks up to the suspension (trailing arm, etc.) ...

A pic or two of the "front" setup in front of the backing plate may be helpful, but really need to see the setup behind the backing plate -> suspension on your Sephia,

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I need to make a parts run for the '97 Ford Aspire here (AKA Kia Avella / same lousy rear brake adjuster setup, BTW) at one of the larger salvage yards in New England, I'd be happy to check out what they got, doing this week after next (Aug. 27th), will call them before hand to check, but pics would be a big help..

Regards,
GottaCruise
 
#12 ·
There is a site called "http://www.kiapartsnow.com/" that shows both the rear drum and disc brakes for the Sephia and "shortened" part numbers.
I guess they don't want you to know the first two numbers...
There is enough info there to "look" at both and "see" the differences..

After looking at my 06 Spec rear disc brakes I'd almost bet if you took from the axles (spindles) and and used the disc parts from mine (06Spec SX) they would bolt to the struts and the lateral cross bars and you'd bypass a lot of up grades over the years... They look pretty much generic at the mounting...
Basically grab the axle/caliper/disc as a whole ass'y.

I'm now researching "if" the Forte' or Soul 5 lug hubs (front and rear) would bolt onto my 4 lug axles/spindles front and rear... Then changing the discs/rotors and rims to 5 lug... Just playing a game in my mind...It would be nice to have 5 lug wheels (more options).
Dave
 
#13 ·
I Spent my Sunday searchin' among Local Junk Yards, not all of them opens on Sundays but there were some open; and Beside wasting my Time, I only found Rear Drum Brakes from Sephias & Spectras... seems like Rear Disc Brakes are somehow "Unseen" here, in Honduras, 'till the most newer models. (from '05 and up) :(


... After looking at my 06 Spec rear disc brakes I'd almost bet if you took from the axles (spindles) and and used the disc parts from mine (06 Spec SX) they would bolt to the struts and the lateral cross bars and you'd bypass a lot of up grades over the years... They look pretty much generic at the mounting...
That will be Great if they works, but I Lost the access to KiaTechInfo so I could not compare the Parts (and maybe the Parts Numbers'?) in order to be Sure that they'll Fit.

The Kia Sephia "KiaStein" we have, has 4X100 Lugs, but it came with "Universal" 15" Rims, that beside the 4X100 four holes, also has another set of holes at 4X114.3 as Hyundai -and many other brands- uses, so there shall not be a Problem as Long as those rear disc brake's hubs has 4 Lugs.

Please, let me know if you can assure me that the Newer Models' rear disc brakes will fit onto the 2000 Sephia, with minor mods.

... Please take a pic or two of the rear brake setup on your 2000 Sephia and post up here - where / how the rear spindle hooks up to the suspension (trailing arm, etc.) ... A pic or two of the "front" setup in front of the backing plate may be helpful, but really need to see the setup behind the backing plate -> suspension on your Sephia ...
Awesome! ...
... Thank You, I will take the Photos and Upload them here ASAP.

If you find the Needed parts at reasonable price, I can send you the Total Amount; which shall include, beside the price of the needed parts themselves, your Gasoline expenses for the Trip, plus an extra for your time & effort on taking those parts out, also the Shipping & Handling Costs.

I've Purchased many parts in other Forums and the Friends in USA only need to send the Package to an address in Miami, Florida (USA) in my name, to an old Honduran Cargo & Shipping Co. who offers "Virtual Addresses" and I have one with them; so, any package that reaches their office with my Name, is inmediately sent to one of their Local offices in Honduras, where I Pay the Shipping Costs from USA to Honduras at the moment I pick it up.

This is the Honduran Co. in Miami:

~► Gutiérrez Logistics

But I need to know an estimate of the total cost before dealing, and if you accept Payments through PayPal.

Kind Regards.
 
#14 ·
These are the rear disc spindles/axles for the 2000 through early 2004 Spectras and your Sephia (2001)...
I found the 2000/2001 Sephias and the 2000~2003 (and some 2004) Spectras are the same
You might want to compare them to your spindles...taking note that the calipers are mounted to them and their bolt holes will be missing on your drum spindles. The second pictures for the passenger side are for the front hubs and should be ignored.

New Auto 7 Spindle Rear Driver Side 844 0007 | eBay

Rear Passenger Right Side New Auto 7 Spindle RH Hand for Kia 2003 844 0013 | eBay

also...
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-YuNuTyh57XbV9QVEhOR3FrS00/edit?usp=sharing

I believe these may be worth your time..
Dave
 
#18 · (Edited)
Dear Dave, as Far as I Know, this information ...

... I found the 2000/2001 Sephias and the 2000~2003 (and some 2004) Spectras are the same ...
... is Accurate for the Rear Brake System.

But doesn't apply to the Front Brake system, whose Calipers, Rotors and Links are Different from the late 2001 Models and up, across Sephia and Spectra Lineup.

In other words: I can Swap Rear Brake parts from the '01 ~ '03 Spectras onto my Wife's '00 Sephia, but I can not do the Same with the Front Brakes.

Kind Regards.
 
#15 ·
Thank you Dave for your Kind Reply, so I will need to Swap Spindles; that is the Great Information I was seeking with this Thread, in order to do the Swap without missing parts during the Process.

I'll Search for Complete rear Disc Brakes setup, including the Spindles.

Kind Regards.
 
#16 ·
Be sure to check out "http://www.kiapartsnow.com/" as they have blowups of your rear brakes and suspension...and lots of great info there.
Have you thought about doing a total rear axle replacement from an 05~09 Spectra.
It would save a lot of cutting and redesigning. The crossbar that the axles/spindles mount to is a bolt on (to the body) with lateral arms, axles, calipers, discs, struts, etc...
I'd only suggest you check the total width before attempting that..
Just an idea...
 
#24 ·
... check out "http://www.kiapartsnow.com/" as they have blowups of your rear brakes and suspension... and lots of great info there...
I have been lookin' at that web site's information and prices, and something that I now know is that considering to buy new parts is Not an option for me...

They quote above $ 235.00 US Dollars each Caliper... add the Spindles, Rotors, Cables, etc to the Soup and the final Price will surpass the Entire vehicle's price. :(

This is the Part Numbers + Prices for the Rear Disc Brakes parts for the SEPHIA = Kia Part List


This is the Part Numbers + Prices for the Rear Disc Brakes parts for the SPECTRA = Kia Part List
 
#17 ·
Thank you for the Idea Dave.

However I don't think that a Full Rear Axle & Suspension Swap is Necessary, because two reasons:

1 - The Rear Struts (Coil Springs + Shock Absorbers) are the original ones and Still are working fine, even after more than 150,000 Miles and the Rude / Loaded travels they have to bear on our Horrid Roads, plenty of Potholes and even potholes inside the Potholes; after all that mileage and abuse during all these years, they're still Strong, there are no damage nor weakness of the rear struts, Coil Springs, nor links, etc... which I consider Awesome for a Cheap small family Sedan.

2 - Also, I can not let this car stopped for much more time than a Weekend, 'cos it is my Wife's daily Driver and sometimes we Switch cars, especially during the horrible Gout Foot Attacks that I suffer from time to time... The "KiaStein" is Automatic, so I rest my left foot; while my "BumbleBeast" is Manual and the cable operated Clutch isn't "Soft" precisely... :D ... I Hope you Understand, but I thank you for the Idea, any Ideas are very welcome.

Kind Regards.
 
#20 ·
I know one thing...and that it's a bear to get the long bolt that goes through the lateral arms and the spindle out... I fought with mine and finally cut the nut and the bolt shaft to get close enough to remove the spindle and have a local muffler shop burn the bolt loose.. Just be prepared for that "if" you change the spindles from drum to disc..
I have read that the upper strut bolts can also be a pain...
If you have an oxyacetylene torch and an air wrench then things will go better for you...
Dave
 
#21 ·
I know one thing...and that it's a bear to get the long bolt that goes through the lateral arms and the spindle out...
Good to Know.



... Just be prepared for that "if" you change the spindles from drum to disc...
Thank you, I'll try to be Prepared at my Best; the Spindles Must be Changed, I Really Need to get Rid of those lousy Drum Brakes and their Useless Adjusters ASAP.



... I have read that the upper strut bolts can also be a pain...
I Hope I could remove all of them in order to complete the Swap Job, I'll Grab a couple of cans of PB Blaster...



... If you have an oxyacetylene torch and an air wrench then things will go better for you...
Nope, I don't have such tools, I only have Hand Tools, but when I Needed to do Big repair Jobs, such like the Engine Swap, I Rented some Tools from a Local Mechanic Shop whose owner is an old friend of Mine.

Also I have taken my cars to his Shop during other kind of repairs, in order to get Help from their personnel; also in order to gain access to their Professional Tools... I Pay for the Help and assistance during the repair jobs, but not too much money because I do the main works.

So, seems like this Swap Job Must be done at my Friend's Shop, in order to gain access to his Air Guns and torchs, in case I need those...

Thank you for the Warning, is Much appreciated; otherwise I could ended with a Half Done disassembling and hours of wasted time.

Kind Regards.
 
#22 ·
Hi Jeszek & Dave,

Been real busy w/ work (Server upgrades) - will be checking in when I can..

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Read your post about payment/shipping, that's cool .

Dave, you did a lot of leg work on checking parts/diagrams *Thanks and nicely done,

From looking at the ebay pics, vs. the diagrams on that site, vs. the (Sephia vs. Spectra) Spindles, they look like the same exact part. Is this correct?

Jeszek, nice pics, thanks for posting. Going to forward them to the salvage yard folks & advise them we are looking for a complete (Disc Brake) rear setup for a 2000-2001 Sephia, including e-brake cables, and all associated hardware (bolts, brackets, etc.) and see what they come back with, to start.

**Just a heads-up: they (will) include a removal charge for the parts: they will have to bring the vehicle from the yard to their dismantling area -> and remove the parts, there is no way to get (shop air) out to the yard / where the vehicle may be located - expect that charge to be $100-$150 range, this is FYI.

+1 and agree w/ Dave: I would provision to do the swap at the garage, on a professional lift, with shop (air) tools .. And provision to source (replacement) bolt hardware and / or a trailing arm or two, in the event one or more bolts need to be torched off.

*Just went through this w/ the Sporty: at 130,000 miles the upper control arm bushings were fused to the bolts, and I had pre-soaked all hardware for at least (3) days w/ PB Blaster.. One control arm came off w/ difficulty, the other had to be torched out & bolt hardware ordered.. :(

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So there is no confusion, I am just asking them to check to see if they even have a rear-disc brake Sephia, and if so, what the cost will be to get both complete rear assemblies from the spindle -> out, including e-brake cables ..

Doing this today, will let you know what they come back with.

Regards,
GottaCruise
 
#23 ·
... From looking at the ebay pics, vs. the diagrams on that site, vs. the (Sephia vs. Spectra) Spindles, they look like the same exact part. Is this correct? ...
Yes, as far the Spindles comes from '01 → '03 Spectra, they'll Fit.


... Jeszek, nice pics, thanks for posting. Going to forward them to the salvage yard folks & advise them we are looking for a complete (Disc Brake) rear setup for a 2000-2001 Sephia, including e-brake cables, and all associated hardware (bolts, brackets, etc.) and see what they come back with, to start. ...
Thank you! ... Also you might ask them for the same parts out from a '01 → '03 Spectra, I Bet to find a Rear Disc Brake setup will be Easier on a Spectra than a Sephia.


... Just a heads-up: they (will) include a removal charge for the parts ... expect that charge to be $100-$150 range, this is FYI. ...

Thank you So much for your Help, which is Highly appreciated!

Well... I was expecting to Spend certain amount of money and I hope that their charge for parts removal will not raise the parts' price up above my limits... Let's see their answer, for Now I only need to have an estimate in order to establish if I could afford the Total Cost or Not.

Kind Regards.
 
#25 · (Edited)
I've investigated a Lot, prior to do this Swap / Retrofitting, and according to the information I found, the Second Gen Sephia (1998 ~ 2001) and the First Gen Spectra (2000 ~ 2003) uses the Same part numbers on the Rear Disc Brakes' Calipers, so this Confirms that the Same Rear Brake parts where used on the Last Sephias / Early Spectras up to 2003 models. (The 2004 and up models are Different, so those will not swap on.)

Even seems like Some of those parts (Such like the Calipers and Brake Pads) interchange with some other Kia Models ... :grin: ... The Kia Carens, the Clarus and the Credos uses them too.




Part Numbers (for Both late Sephia & early Spectra) are:



L (Driver's Side) Caliper ........ 0K2N349990 also 0K2N326990 also 0K9B049990
► Driver's Side Spindle ......... 0K2A326120D
► Same side's Dust Shield ..... 0K2A326271
► Left Parking Brake Cable .... 0K2A244420E

R (Passenger's Side) Caliper ... 0K2N349980 also 0K2N326980 also 0K9B049980
► Passenger's Side Spindle .... 0K2A326110D
► Same side's Dust Shield ..... 0K2A326261
► Right Parking Brake Cable .. 0K2A244410E

► Calliper Bolts x4 ............... K997561035

► Dust Shield's Bolts x6 ........ K997960812

► Rear Hub x2 .................... 0K2N126150 -also- 0K21626150

► Lug Bolts x8 .................... 0K99333062B

► Rear Rotors x2 ................. 0K2AA26251 (could have an extra "A" or "B" at the end)

► Lock Nuts x2 .................... 0K20133042

► Lock Nuts Caps x2 ............. 0K20126071

► Hydraulic Hoses x2 ............ 0K2A243810C

► Brake Pads x4 (set) ........... 0K9A02628Z also 0K2FC2628Z


The Total Amount for those New Parts will cost more than the Car itself;

So I will seek to find Used Parts from Junk Yards only.

Edit: The same Calipers & Brake Pads were used by Kia in other Models, such as

Kia Credos I,
Kia Clarus,
Kia Carens I,
Kia Shuma,
Kia Spectra I,

And are still in use / in production. Further info, ~► Here.

Kind Regards.
 
#26 ·
This almost seams like a full donor car (or at least the rear axle) would be your best path to follow..Then you could have the parts removed at your leisure and at the location of your choice...I expect that the strut and the lower bolts are going to be problematic and torches will probably be needed at least to break away the bolts... My car is an 06 and the lower bolt was firmly embedded into the spindle..The local muffler shop heated and removed the "remains" of the bolt (at a cost)...
Well I gotta take my little companion out for a potty break as he is telling me in no uncertain terms "I WANT"...
I'll write later...
Dave
 
#27 ·
This almost seams like a full donor car (or at least the rear axle) would be your best path to follow...
Yes, but here in Honduras is almost impossible to find such "donor" car. :(

I went to Many Junk Yards and called by Phone another ones, asking about Late Kia Sephia / Early Kia Spectra Rear Axles featuring Disc brakes, and the answer is always the same: "No, there are only Drums available" :crying:

The "KiaStein" is in Dire Need of those Rear Disc Brakes... the rear drums needs their Monthly adjustment and I -my body- somehow refuse to do that, one more time anymore. I want to Fix Permanently that annoyin' issue.

Some people in other countries, such like USA will think something like this: Why deal with all the Hassle of Swapping brake parts on an twelve years old car? ... but the answer is that here in my country, used cars in good mechanical conditions are very expensive. In example, a used car that in USA could cost $ 1,000.ºº US Dollars, here its price raises up to $ 3,500.ºº US Dollars... I need to Keep this Car in good conditions as long as I Can.

So, This incoming weekend, I plan to Travel in my Subaru "BumbleBeast" to other Cities in order to Search (hunt?) for those elusive Rear Disc Brakes, I Hope I could find them Locally, but if not, maybe you guys in USA will be my last hope...

Kind Regards.
 
#28 ·
Greetings jeszek,

Ok, got a (possible) set off a '04 Spectra - complete assembly from the Spindle out, including e-brake cables from the vehicle is $90.00 each side, or $180.00 for the rear setup,

-BUT- I have to go back and check spindle setup against the '00 rear drum Sephia and check measurements to make sure they are compatible..

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So looking at approx $200 removed, not shipped, pending verification the spindles are compatible w/ your Sephia ..

Will know better tomorrow after measuring the spindles on each vehicle,

Regards,
GottaCruise
 
#29 ·
GottaCruse..
I also requested a price on a set from a location in Cleveland via car-part.com
I got no reply from them...
So I'll leave it up to you for now...
Dave
 
#31 ·
Hi Dave,

Yeah, had the same treatment last week - this vehicle is at a local yard close to work, nice people to work with, and hopefully these spindles are compatible w/ Jeszek's vehicle ..

Please keep checking, if you are so inclined - if you hear back on a good set, the more options jeszek has, the better it is for him,

Regards,
Robert
 
#32 · (Edited)
Dear Friends Dave and Robert,

I am Very Thankful with you, I Really appreciate all your efforts, the time and patience you had to bear with this with me, Thank you so Much, you're So Kind.


The Last weekend was very busy for me, I dedicated all Saturday and all Sunday to the Search of those Rear Disc Brakes in Local Junk Yards of the Main Cities of my Country.

Unlike all the other Central-American countries, whose only has one Big City (Usually their capital city) with around a million population and the rest are small cities; Honduras has Two Big Cities, one is the Capital City which officially is named as "Distrito Central" which means Central District; it has Two Cities combined: "Tegucigalpa" and "Comayagüela" (just a River crosses in the Middle, between both) and has around 1.5 Million population; located at the Center-south of the Country, at two hours from the Pacific's ocean coast.

The other "Big" City is "San Pedro Sula" with 1.5 Million Population too, located in the North, at one hour from the Caribbean Coast and nearby the port of "Cortes" where my Wife's Sephia was delivered inside a container in year 2009... (it came from USA, it is cheaper to Buy used cars that way, than buying them locally) There are around 250 Kms (157 Miles) distance between both "Big" Cities and a Brand New 4 track (two each side) Speedway between both.

So I bypassed all the many Small Town's Junk Yards and started searching on Capital City (usually refered to as "Tegucigalpa" only) and after Spending (wasting) all the Saturday on many Junk Yards only to find Nothing but Drum Brakes; I decided to take the Family the next day in a Long round trip to San Pedro Sula.

We went there early Sunday to search for those elusive Disc Brakes ... and after Spending (wasting) all sunday from one junk yard to the other and so on ... (some were closed, but I Wrote their Phone Numbers to call 'em on Monday) ... I found nothing but Drum Brakes there too.

So after spending the Whole Weekend, some money and a Tank full of Gasoline, we came back home without the needed parts. Seems like it is "Impossible" to find such parts locally; only One guy from one Junk Yard said that he Had once a "Rare" Sephia with "Rear Disc Brakes that seemed Factory installed" ... but he had that three years ago... There are Tons of Hyundais, Kias, Fords, Nissans, Chevrolets, Dodges, VolksWagens, etc, etc, etc... I took a look of their rear spindles, but no one matched the Sephia's one.

But not all the Weekend Voyage was a Waste, I Learned that the 2004 Spectra shares the Same Rear Axle (Disc Brakes, Links, etc... ) with the same year's Hyundai Elantra ... and also those will not retrofit onto the early Spectras, nor Sephias. They tried to sell me the whole rear axle from a 2004 Spectra / Elantra, but the MOUNTING points are different, so despite that the overal width is the same than the Spectra's / Sephia's rear axle, it is a Bad Idea to do such swap: The Spectra's /Sephia's Body is reinforced in other areas for its own rear axle, so such swap could be Dangerous.

The 2004 Spectra's / Elantra's Rear Disc Brakes, features an inner Drum Brake setup used for the Parking Brake only, while the Disc Rotor is used for the Main Brake; unlike the Late Sephia's (2000 - 2001) / Early Spectra's (2000 - 2003) Single Disc Setup, whose Caliper is used for Both Braking and Parking Brake; also the 2004 Models' Spindles has other measurements than the 2000 - 2003 ones, so those aren't compatible nor interchangeable.

The Rear Disc Brakes that are compatible with Late Sephias that came with Rear Drum Brakes (Beside the same Sephia's Rear disc Brakes) are the '01 → '03 Spectra's Disc Brakes.

So, seems like you in USA are my Last Hope to obtain such Rear Disc Brakes... Please let me know any news about those.

Today's night I will do the "monthly" adjustment -once again- to the Rear Drums of the "KiaStein" ... I hope it will be the last one.

Kind Regards & Blessings.
 
#33 ·
I Made Phone Calls on Monday, yesterday and today, to the other Junk Yards that were Closed on Sunday in San Pedro Sula City, and also they doesn't have any Gen II Kia Sephia nor any Gen I Kia Spectra with Rear Disc Brakes, so the Conclusion is that it is Impossible to find those here in Honduras; so my Only Hope to obtain such Rear Disc Brakes lays in You, my Dear Friends in USA.

Please let me Know if the Junk Yard people gives a Positive answer to you ... :right: ...

Kind Regards.
 
#34 ·
Didn't get to the yard yesterday - bad weather (torrential rain) turned the area where the vehicle is parked into a lake .. I would have been under water, no diving equipment available.

Will be heading back tomorrow am for measurements and pics,

FYI & Regards,
GottaCruise
 
#35 ·
Many, many thanks to you, your efforts are Really appreciated, you're So Kind!

I know that to take a look and measurements of a car sat on a Junk Yard, is Not easy, so Take your time.

Kind Regards.
 
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