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Old 02-12-2013, 03:50 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I find it hard to believe that turning off/disabling stability control would have any affect whatsoever on engine braking when you're coasting. And even if it did (which I don't believe), I don't think that it's a good idea to disable an important safety feature to save a couple of mpg.
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This is not just traction control folks.. but stability control as well. As Sauron said.. why turn it off when it really does nothing in the way of saving you gas?? As prone as SUV's are prone to rolling over and or loosing control. Why chance it??

If you look on the visor there is a reason why they have warnings for roll overs directly ON them. Without the stability control it is just a matter of time of when and not iff it will happen. Trust me there are videos all over the internet on how well and amazing the stability control works.. and without how these vehicles just do not measure up without the ECS.

So it is on YOU if you do disable it but when there is no reason to other then to lessen the drag you get from braking.. it is beyond me why that should matter when your life of you and your passengers could make the difference WITH it on.
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I don't take corners at 40 so I don't have to worry about rollover..I choose to leave it off, it's everyone's choice, that's why it has an off button
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This is a vehicle with and without stability control.. and yes this was intentional.

If you notice there is no snow on the ground where they are at too. Imagine if you have to avoid someone or something and swerve to avoid them and you do not have stability control on.. guess it does not matter and with AWD going do you think it will help prevent tipping over??


there are better examples but you should know this is NOT about traction control so AWD and even 4 wheel drive does not factor.
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I don't take corners at 40 so I don't have to worry about rollover..I choose to leave it off, it's everyone's choice, that's why it has an off button
So avoiding a person/animal/vehicle ahead of you makes swerving obsolete. Oh well you are right it is up to you whether or not to turn it off.. but why you would want to is beyond me I guess.
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I will tell you why: I am a paper carrier, my top speed on my route is about 15 mph. I do not have a need for ESC going so slow..When I go on the highway, I leave it on...
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I will tell you why: I am a paper carrier, my top speed on my route is about 15 mph. I do not have a need for ESC going so slow..When I go on the highway, I leave it on...
Whatever.. I am done debating it. If you want to turn it off/on up to you.. I am just letting you know one way or another it does not matter on the gas mileage. Regardless if they gave you on on/off button.

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I am a paper carrier as well. I used to do a city route, in Michigan, in the winter. Luckily, now I am just a courier between rural post offices, but it is still a lot of miles in the middle of the woods, in the middle of the night. I have to admit when I had the city route, I would turn the ESC OFF also, otherwise it seemed like it was constantly running between every single box. I still turn it off when I start out, and re-activate it at highway speeds. ESC has saved me many times. Going around an icy corner, my rear wheels started sliding. Caught off-guard, I over-compensated. My electronic stability control kicked in, corrected my steering, braked the correct wheels and got me back straight. Meanwhile I'm sitting there watching the ESC light flash on the dash, and before the blood could finish draining from my face, it had me going where I should have been. Another time, I was in the passing lane on a slippery road, and I had just finished passing a car. Then I realized the car in front of me had non-working brake lights, and had stopped to turn left in the passing lane. I tried the brakes, but the road was too icy. I swerved into the other lane at the last second, in front of the car I had just passed. My rear end then started swinging back and forth - ESC corrected it, and got me back straight in a quick hurry. ESC in winter conditions has saved me numerous times.
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This is a vehicle with and without stability control.. and yes this was intentional.
Without stability control
With stability control

If you notice there is no snow on the ground where they are at too. Imagine if you have to avoid someone or something and swerve to avoid them and you do not have stability control on.. guess it does not matter and with AWD going do you think it will help prevent tipping over??


there are better examples but you should know this is NOT about traction control so AWD and even 4 wheel drive does not factor.
Definitley eye opening video's !

Disabling the ESC/ESP, will give you a bit better mileage, & power, despite what the naysayers (who have not tried this, as I have) will say. At what cost you say? Well what did we ever do without it since the 1st cars, in 1918?

We drove very carefully in bad weather, or we sometimes learned very quickly the sorry results of our actions, making us better drivers if we took heed of conditions. The bottom line is you alone decide what you want to do, personally I don't like electronic "nanny's" because at times they can be a hindrance instead of a help.

Lord help you if you suddenly come upon wet gravel, and the "nanny" slows you down to a crawl, as the 18 Wheeler closing in on you from behind can't stop!

If you have split/second presence of mind, you can turn off the ESC, and speed away,,,Maybe?
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Lord help you if you suddenly come upon wet gravel, and the "nanny" slows you down to a crawl, as the 18 Wheeler closing in on you from behind can't stop!

If you have split/second presence of mind, you can turn off the ESC, and speed away,,,Maybe?
Geez. It's your life. Hopefully, it's ONLY yours that your risking. I think the odds of most people being able to "outperform" the stability control system are negligible. All to save (which it probably doesn't even do) what is a rather insignificant amount of money (compared to the cost of the vehicle). Good luck with that.

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