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I see on the Kia website for the last month that there is no more manual transmission Sorento's offered in the U.S.A. The Canada site still shows the manual though.Why did Kia drop the shifter model in this country? Not enough sales?Not enough profit at 19,995 base sticker? Maybe problems with the transmissions? What gives here? My base model cheapo manual trans Sorento works well and gets great gas mileage. How about any other base model owners out there. How do you like your Sorento's?
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Maybe us fellow manual trans owners should form a subgroop in this forum.If so,Thumper477 is manual trans subgroop member #1. How about it?
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I put a deposit down on a manual transmission base Sorento (CAN) and the Dealer was supposedly going to be able to get one from another Province for me. Turns out he's having a hard time finding one in my 1st or 2nd color choices.
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I see on the Kia website for the last month that there is no more manual transmission Sorento's offered in the U.S.A. The Canada site still shows the manual though.Why did Kia drop the shifter model in this country? Not enough sales?Not enough profit at 19,995 base sticker? Maybe problems with the transmissions? What gives here? My base model cheapo manual trans Sorento works well and gets great gas mileage. How about any other base model owners out there. How do you like your Sorento's?
Those and many other reasons for sure. Sadley just like what happened in the USA with the (BL) chassis in @2006 the manual was dropped. And the main reason is the

5/60-10/100.

Not covered in those is "CLUTCH AND CLUTCH RELATED PARTS". Which is pipes and Hyd hoses and slaves and in our case, brake master cyl as it WAS in the (BL) the source of clutch fluid (clutch master) to make it all work. Sorta like if you have HYDROBOOST brakes on a DIESEL/HD GAS Comm Vech and they decide BRAKE RELATED PARTS are not covered. The Powersteering pump is now NOT covered. It is easier to just not offer a stick then go thru explaining it or argueing over it with customers when they get a clutch issue and are ala-carte pay for all work. Not just paying for Throwout Bearing/Disc/Pressure Plate/Manual Style Flywheel. IF with luck they had half a brain in the first place and realized from the start they were going to be paying for THOSE down the road. Far more owners will be happy with the 5/60-10/100 this way in the USA. As everything to do with the AUTO is covered. History might have repeated itself with a few of you sticks complaining about issues if there were any, in the NEW stick offerings KIA relented and gave you back in (XM). Now they take them away again for that same reason as in past. Some will not wish to pay for repairs and KIA is not responcible for repairs in writting for you. And it is a MEXICAN STANDOFF.

Pay for repairs on your $20,000 2.4L I4 6spd Stick FWD Version.
Free repairs on your $34,000 3.5L V6 6spd AUTO AWD Version.

This was merely an example of low and high. Some of you will fall in the middle too I realize with a mix of FWD/AWD and the 2.4/3.5 and a Stick/Auto.

P.S. In the USA at least as things are or were in past months since teh (XM) release, that $1000 up front for the AUTO might have jsut been the best investment you ever made. And now KIA is just making it easy for you to do that. NO CHOICE.

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Indeed, not a surprise that there'll be very few of us... I have an ebony black 6mt Sorento that was the only one within reasonable driving distance from me (fortunately, it was at the closest dealer to me and was my first color choice... was willing to take a silver one for a better deal but that didn't work out). Each of the dealers I contacted either had just 1 manual or none at all.

As for the warranty issue, its a little too easy to burn out clutches. I used to own a Mitsubishi lancer and knew the service manager well. They had a bear of a time dealing with Evo owners with manual transmissions that would take it to the track, burn it out and come yelling at them for not covering it under warranty! Of course, just lending your manual car to someone who doesn't know how to drive one can also have the same effect... Still, Mitsu is notorious for trying to avoid warranty liabilities...

I certainly wish the list of coverage exclusions wasn't expanded - but getting a manual was a pure driving preference. In fact, it was one of the top reasons I got a Sorento. Hardly any other SUVs are offered in a stick (at least in the US)... The only other one I considered was a rare, rare 6sp manual Xterra about 150 miles from me. The Xterra's poor gas mileage and $10k higher price made the Sorento choice easier (I know they are two very different SUVs). Was not really interested in the others (i.e. Rav 4).

If they have indeed cancelled out the manual in the US, the saving grace is that for the rest of the world (Asia and Europe in particular) they still like driving sticks. So hopefully, the parts bins will still be well stocked!
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BTW - yes, #2 for the manual trans subgroup!

Besides a few creaks and rattles (did the TSB myself for the center console and that totally worked, now its just a driver's door creak and rear area rattle that needs addressing), I've been very happy with the Sorento!
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Indeed, not a surprise that there'll be very few of us... I have an ebony black 6mt Sorento that was the only one within reasonable driving distance from me (fortunately, it was at the closest dealer to me and was my first color choice... was willing to take a silver one for a better deal but that didn't work out). Each of the dealers I contacted either had just 1 manual or none at all.

As for the warranty issue, its a little too easy to burn out clutches. I used to own a Mitsubishi lancer and knew the service manager well. They had a bear of a time dealing with Evo owners with manual transmissions that would take it to the track, burn it out and come yelling at them for not covering it under warranty! Of course, just lending your manual car to someone who doesn't know how to drive one can also have the same effect... Still, Mitsu is notorious for trying to avoid warranty liabilities...

I certainly wish the list of coverage exclusions wasn't expanded - but getting a manual was a pure driving preference. In fact, it was one of the top reasons I got a Sorento. Hardly any other SUVs are offered in a stick (at least in the US)... The only other one I considered was a rare, rare 6sp manual Xterra about 150 miles from me. The Xterra's poor gas mileage and $10k higher price made the Sorento choice easier (I know they are two very different SUVs). Was not really interested in the others (i.e. Rav 4).

If they have indeed cancelled out the manual in the US, the saving grace is that for the rest of the world (Asia and Europe in particular) they still like driving sticks. So hopefully, the parts bins will still be well stocked!
You like I do not shy away form sticks. But we understand why and what we buy it for. And NOT think otherwise. Far too many do. AS for parts bins I really am with you not so much why you say if but that just in general those clutch related parts do not go bad often. And teh aftermarket always picks up the slack and does even better on pressure plates/disc/throwouts. And most times a flywheel takes a real bone head to ruin. Minor scuffing or just light planeing is all that they need at worst. My whole issue with KIA and sticks is not the "clutch kit" in my future. But the bad idea of now added meaning form "CLUTCH AND CLUTCH RELATED PARTS". That is where I draw the line really. Ok at 80,000-100,000+ you need to put in a Slave/Master/Hose ok and pay. I can live with that. But form day one thru 5/60 you pay ala-carte for it all as well includeing the metal pipes that should not rust off or out till well into 100,000. If one does your screwed day one. Alot of these parts are CHEAP! like bendable flared metal brake lines to fix it. But it is the LABOR that will kill you from day one. That is my point off teh showroom floor. Just think on this for a sec. Your slave is leaking ever so slight. NO big deal. In time 35,000-50,000 the BRAKE MASTER goes bad and your brakes act up. You/KIA did not fix the slave and it caused the low fluid and refilling constintly to one day overload the BRAKE MASTER WITH moisture and go bad internally. You think ok I am covered for 5/60. WRONG! The slave (clutch and clutch related parts) made it go bad. SO you buy one not KIA to fix your brakes. And BEEP BEEP a 1965 FIAT 500 pulls up to the curb and 45 clowns all pile out one at a time squeeking thier noses.

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