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I am all for DIY and do it myself as much as possible. But even I know my limits. It seems in here of late we really have alot more underquilified DIY way over their heads. And asking for help to back step, out of the quicksand. Please start a dialoge on just what other peoples take on this is in here. Should we be more proactive and impress on people to know what your doing if your going to DIY. And less kidding yourself thinking you might. The KGIS/on line shop/other sources manuals are fine if you know how to read and use them. They are not a cureall for over your head. It is getting scary in here as of late too. And yes I am most times of late, the face of being rude as some say to others in here for it. Lets all chat on this and see what others think about the over your head and kidding yourself issue of DIY versus the I can do that DIY of the various skill levels in here. I have big shoulders so keep yelling and calling the mods on me for sure. But maybe start being part of the process and the help line. And not part of the problem thru silence and not trying to soft sell shake some sense into a few here. And really be a help. This is a HELP FORUM not a (PC) Board meeting at your 9-5 JOB.
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I agree DIY can be good and save heaps of cash , or it can get you into a lot of problems. As Clint Eastwood is quoted as saying, "A mans got to know his limitations'. Always do your research on what exactly is required before starting a DIY job And as my Signature says." Take your time, think it out , do it right, do it once. Forward planning and a honest opiniion of your own abilities is the way to go. There are some jobs best left to professionals at times. I'm not bad working on cars but I limit myself to the things I will do myself, or I usually get into problems.

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I think we should rate each DIY job from 1-10 in difficulty, so everyone who is looking to attempt something knows what they ar getting in to...like changing wiper blades would be a 1, and changing the spark plugs would be an 8 due to the removal of motor parts, and rebuilding a transmission is a 10+

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I think we should rate each DIY job from 1-10 in difficulty, so everyone who is looking to attempt something knows what they ar getting in to...like changing wiper blades would be a 1, and changing the spark plugs would be an 8 due to the removal of motor parts, and rebuilding a transmission is a 10+
Good idea and I do not disagree really. Problem is one mans 1 is anothers 5. So how are you going to rate them accurately. There is wiggle room and subjectivity in there to deal with. KIAPRINCESS might be awesome at level 1 wipers and as well level 5 oil changes. But not so good just ok at level 2-3 airfilter. Or level 4 Tailight/headlight/fog bulbs. But you superjay ace the blades/air/oil/bulbs but the level 5 trans fluid short dump and fill you botch each and everytime. With the level 6 coolent dump drain and fill that you never seem to get to burp all the way yet KIAPRINCESS can no sweat.

I can do a brake job you might take to dealer. You did with little sweat a TPS and set it up. I would never try and take it to dealer and loose the hassle form it. See my point?
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I'm ASE certified, and a CET, Sr (senior certified electronics technician) and an MEET (master electronic engineering technician) working in car audio. rating 1-10 should be static, not sliding. if we base everything on beginner ability then it should be easier to understand. If you know which way to turn a screw to remove and replace it, and that's about it...you can do a 1 or 2...if you know how to trace wires, mark cogs and replace a motor lower without instructions, then a 10+ will be a breeze. if everything is as compared to a beginner and an expert then it should be pretty self explanatory.

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i like this idea!!!


how would you guys rate the changing of the diode to get my dome light working again! my DH does not want to attempt it and i would rather not pay kia $$$$ for something else that they should be doing! and with the holiday shopping season right around the corner i really do not want to be going to my truck at night with all my bags and no lights on inside!
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I'm ASE certified, and a CET, Sr (senior certified electronics technician) and an MEET (master electronic engineering technician) working in car audio. rating 1-10 should be static, not sliding. if we base everything on beginner ability then it should be easier to understand. If you know which way to turn a screw to remove and replace it, and that's about it...you can do a 1 or 2...if you know how to trace wires, mark cogs and replace a motor lower without instructions, then a 10+ will be a breeze. if everything is as compared to a beginner and an expert then it should be pretty self explanatory.
Then I am all for this and that! based on your valued static scale suggetion. There is no real fudge or wiggle factor yes. Just people kidding themselves useing it on there skill level still. It is not a bridge over the quicksand. But it is a few sheets of 3/4" plywood over the site where we now have more or less 1/2" particleboard people walk on.

And for sure Jay you take the diode question. My dealer did the two part complete job. Most here only want the single shortcut job a 3?. So I will not say much. As it seems like a snip snip crimp crimp job when you find it. But I know it to be more then that the way I had it done with the extra work. That has worked flawless for 20-25,000 miles. Unlike some here and their results of the base job with do overs.

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I've only heard about the diode issue, and haven't read up on it much. i NEVER crimp anything anymore...I've had way too many vehicles come back for wires coming out of the crampons. I solder everything.

for me anything wiring is a 1. for most, just tracing wires can be as high as 5 or 6, so I'd, without investigating, have to say the diode replacement would be a 5.

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I've only heard about the diode issue, and haven't read up on it much. i NEVER crimp anything anymore...I've had way too many vehicles come back for wires coming out of the crampons. I solder everything.

for me anything wiring is a 1. for most, just tracing wires can be as high as 5 or 6, so I'd, without investigating, have to say the diode replacement would be a 5.
My .02 worth. I agree the actual changing of the diode is a rather simple process. The difficulty lies, I believe, in the removal and installing of the side kick panel and doorsill. Once that is done you still need to slice (unless it was done previously) the wire covering on the diode itself.

Just by some of the questions asked on this forum alone I want to tell people "Put down the tools and slowly back away from the car."

If this new function is going to be successfull then there needs to be a separate section solely for the rating of a project. Similar to the Members Garage. No comments would be allowed. Only ratings. If there is a comment there needs to be a separate posting section. The repair needs to be rated on its merit only. A timing belt for example is a 10. To a master mechanic it is still a 10 but he will make it look like a 4. An oil change on some vehicles is a 6but the Sortento with the bottom covers become more detailed. I have a quick drain and a remote filter. I remove the bottom covers every other time. My filter is located inside the wheel well cover and hangs down. Filter off and on in less than 10 min.. So to me it is a 4 rating. Air tools make the job esier but not all have them. The rating would be submitted by a person and the "Forum" would post their rating. If the original rating is a 6 then the next poster would only post a number they feel the job rates. The readers would then get an average. I am not here to debate the validity of this idea, only in the way it is going to be done. I would like this section to be free of the bickering and emotion filled drama found on here sometimes. I hope this makes some sense to everybody.
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I think there is no harm for novice DIY mechanics to do work on their own cars.Other than working in a garage or going to a trade school,there are not many other way that they can learn their"trade".My corcern is that they should not practice their learning on any safety system on their personal car or on any friend's or relative's car.It's OK to goof up replacing a bulb,or changing a fan belt,but messing up a brake job,leaving a steering component loose,or installing a ball joint improperly could have grave consequences.Stick to the type of jobs that if screwed up will not cause a potential accident or injury.If you have any doubt as to your abilities,error on the side of good judgement and hire a professional to do the work needed.Saving a few bucks is'nt worth the risk or injury or worse to you,your family,or any other party that would be affected by your mistakes.

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