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Default Power steering fluid for 04 Sorento - PSF-3 ???

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I need to top off the power steering fluid on my 2004 Sorento. The spec is for PSF-3.

I've called dealerships all over the Northeastern USA, and I can't seem to find anyone that sells this particular flavor of fluid. Worse, each parts department makes different suggestions as far as an appropriate subsitution. I've been told to use plain old power steering fluid, ATF, and Mitsubishi ps fluid (by my own dealer that also sells that brand of car.)

I've tried calling the KIA 800 number on this twice. Their response was to put me on hold, then call my local dealership. The dealership tells them that they have PSF-3, then KIA support tells me to call the dealership. I call the dealership and then they tell me that they have Mitsubishi fluid to sell me.

I've spent way too much googling this. Please, I'd appreciate some help. I can't be the only one out there that needs a few ounces of power steering fluid.

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Dexron III (Dexron IIE is OK too) Automatic Transmission Fluid is the stuff. I use the synthetic Mobil 1 version.
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i just had my 30k trans service done yesterday (with kia red-1) at a kia dealer and tried to purchase some psf-3

they did not have any and don't because of cost and said something about using general app. ps fluid and they had the proper stuff in bulk ??

i left without getting a clear answer

ordering one can or bottle of psf-3 was out of the question i quess due to the fact a case must be ordered and the dealer doesn't use it ?
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Question Psf-3 ?????

What type of Power Steering Fluid is PSF-3?
No one seems to know this information. Is it Dexron or regular PSF or a synthetic fluid or the kind they use in Honda's & Accuras??

I think it is a synthetic fluid.
Can anyone give me the correct answer of what kind of Power Steering Fluid (PSF) I need to add to my 2003 EX Sorento?

I've seen this question on many different forums on the web.

Thanks for the help.
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I doubt it's synthetic. I tried to buy it from my local dealership and parts guy gave Ford steering fluid and told me that that what they use for KIA. I added to existing one and don't have any problem. Also look here:
http://www.kiatechinfo.com/TechInfo/...u_no=113&page=
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Thank you for the info. I actually went to a KIA dealer in PA and they sell it by the pint. But even the service center didn't know what the fluid was. If it were in relations to DOT3 fluid, Dexron, Honda, Accura PS fluid or if it was even synthetic..believe that they don't even know but at least I was found a dealership to purchase it from. It went for approximately $8.00 a pint.
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Thank you for the info. I actually went to a KIA dealer in PA and they sell it by the pint. But even the service center didn't know what the fluid was. If it were in relations to DOT3 fluid, Dexron, Honda, Accura PS fluid or if it was even synthetic..believe that they don't even know but at least I was found a dealership to purchase it from. It went for approximately $8.00 a pint.
Glad you found it. And really I am not sure what the cross ref for it is in aftermarket fluids. But one thing is totally sure it is never DOT3 fluid. DOT3 is a brake fluid type like DOT4 and DOT5(synth) and not on this side of the universe meant to be anywhere NEAR the Powersteering system. Only the clutch and brake systems of ANY vech.
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Hi, I am just reporting here my experience with my '06 Kia Spectra SX. I've finally hit the 40K mark and about time to do an engine coolant change I decided to inspect the quality and color of the power steering fluid. The fluid had some contamination and it was browning already, but I kind of expected that because I'm a bit of an aggressive driver :P So like all of you I check on my manual and online and I see this PSF-3 fluid that no one (neither my KIA dealership parts department) sell. The only reference online I found for a suitable replacement fluid that explicitly say is approved for PSF 3 application is the Motul Multi ATF. However these lubricants are not sold anywhere near where I live and to get it online is about $11 + about $6-8 for shipping. So I started looking for similar Multi ATF's and found Mobil 1 Fully Synthetic Multi-ATF at my local AutoZone for 7.99 a quart. This fluid is specified for SPIII application just as the Motul fluid does, so I assume this is just a KIA/Hyundai approval thing only. I looked online and compared the properties of these fluids and found that they are very similar and if anything Mobil is a bit more viscous (in my mind I like that, more protection I guess lol) Here are the data comparisons:

Motul Multi-ATF
Density at 20 degrees C 0.846
Viscosity at 100 degrees C (212 degrees F)8.5 mm 2/s
Viscosity at 40 degrees C (104 degrees F) 37.5 mm 2/S
Viscosity Index ASTM D2270 214
Flash Point ASTM D92 208degrees C/406 degrees F

Mobil Multi-Vehicle ATF
Viscosity
cSt @ 40ºC 34.1
cSt @ 100ºC 7.42
Viscosity Index 193
Flash Point, ºC (ºF) 180 (356)
Gravity, API 34.7
Color Red

I did purchase the Mobil 1 Multi-ATF Fluid and did a partial flush. I siphoned the old fluid from the reservoir with a clear tube and made sure to try to get as much contaminant trapped by the filter. I then refilled with fresh fluid and since I had my car up in jackstands for a coolant change I turned the steering wheel a bunch of times Lastly I redid the whole procedure and this time the fluid came out clear red and free of contaminants (yay!) I used about half quart and I can definitely feel a smoother, quieter steering. I swear is not placebo effect . My KIA dealer parts guy told me to use regular power steering fluid, but I was reluctant to bring home a 3 dollar Prestone PSF from walmart because I just like to put full synthetic stuff in my car. I will for sure repost something as I drive more miles if i find improvement or not (hopefully not).
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Exclamation Psf3

PSF-III is not available through Kia Chemicals:

Use a high quality power steering fluid like Valvoline® or equivalent,
DO NOT use ATF in place of power steering fluid, red in color.
03100-00100 KIA PSF3
This product is not available for sale at this time.

IDENTIFICATION OF THE PREPARATION AND THE COMPANY
Product Trade Name : PSF-3
Product Type : Power Steering Fluid
Manufacturer’s (Supplier)Name & Address :
MICHANG OIL IND. CO., LTD. : 201 Dong Sam-Dong, Young Do-Gu, Pusan, Korea
Emergency telephone number : 82-51-409-5047

COMPOSITION / INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
Component
CAS No.
Percentage(%)
Note
Severely hydro treated heavy paraffinic distillate
64742-54-7
91.489
Phosphoric acid 0,0-di C1-C14-alkyl ester Zinc salts
68649-42-3
0.2
Calcium Petroleum Sulfonate
61789-86-4l
0.3
C.I solvent red 164
71819-51-7
0.01
Poly methlmethacrylate
9011-14-7
8.0
Silicone DC Fluid
63148-62-9
0.001

PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES
Appearance / Odor Red liquid, petroleum odor.

Specific Gravity at 15/4℃ 0.8670
Kinematic Viscosity at 40℃ 33.50
Solubility in water at 20℃Not applicable
Flash Point (COC Method) 204℃

Pour Point <-45.0
Boiling Point - ?
Vapor Pressure at 20℃Not determined
Vapor Density (Air=1)Not determined

Some models use PSF-4.

Always use the correct recommended fluids as required!!!

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Thank you for the info. I actually went to a KIA dealer in PA and they sell it by the pint. But even the service center didn't know what the fluid was. If it were in relations to DOT3 fluid, Dexron, Honda, Accura PS fluid or if it was even synthetic..believe that they don't even know but at least I was found a dealership to purchase it from. It went for approximately $8.00 a pint.
Please share where in PA - I have a leak and had to buy a quart of PSF-III from the dealer - local auto supply stores tell me it's a dealer only part. The dealership must know this too; they charged me $22 for a quart! Whn I went back 3 months later to get another bottle; they had switched to PSF-4; said it was "the same" and wanted to charge me $32!
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