thanks, I finally got it out without removing the sub frame, but I had to remove the motor mount on the passenger fender and jack the engine as high as it could go without disconnecting the fuel lines. It was a tight squeeze however and I don't think I will be able to get the new one in like that so I'm going to try and get the frame out, but It looks like more work than I thought. Seems like I need to remove the exhaust and rack too as they are bolted to the frame. By the way its an I4 with an auto tranny. 4th gear went out at 110,000 and the oil is blacker than motor oil so I don't think it was ever changed.
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