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It was over due, it had 77K on it. It was my fault, was going about 40 when it just quit. Coasted to a stop with the clutch out so the motor was still turning.
I never heard of the word "interference engine " before this, now I know better.
I'm just amazed that someone would design a engine that the whole survival depends on a darn belt!!!!!!!......If this was the sixty's and you were a engineer designing cars you would been laugh at if you came up this junk.
Anyway I got a used motor from a junk yard. When I called the guy said come on down and you can start it and here it run its still in the car. when I got there it was the same exact car, even color, it was just wrecked in the rear. I started it and it ran fine, no noises and very responsive when you stepped on the gas.
Before i put in the car needless to say i changed the timing belt, what was odd was when I lined up the timing marks before I removed the belt the exhaust cam spocket was off 1 tooth, I couldn't believe it, i even rotated the motor a number of times and it was off..........I was surprised it ran so good when i started it at the junk yard. I'll bet if I could have driven it it would have been real sluggish. I don't believe it was the original belt, I can just hear the previous owner of that car saying "you know ever since I had that timing belt changed the car has never run right" lol
Its in the car now and running fine. (I also changed the tensioner, idler and water pump)
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Honda's been making the flat four and six cylinder engines since 1975 with the same thing as these. "If you don't know when the belts been changed its time" thats the mind set with them.

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Timing Belt Tensioner Spring

I was just wondering if this is a dealer part. I don't think it's included in the Gates Timing Belt Kit #TCK318, but I think there are springs included in the Dayco Timing Component Set that's on autopartswarehouse.com.
Oh, by the way, I'm new here - so hello everybody! I just bought a 2002 Rio with 106K and don't know when the timing belt was changed, so I'm having a mechanic do the work for me. Thanks for all the great info!
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I was just wondering if this is a dealer part. I don't think it's included in the Gates Timing Belt Kit #TCK318, but I think there are springs included in the Dayco Timing Component Set that's on autopartswarehouse.com.
Oh, by the way, I'm new here - so hello everybody! I just bought a 2002 Rio with 106K and don't know when the timing belt was changed, so I'm having a mechanic do the work for me. Thanks for all the great info!
This help?????http://autoparts.thecarconnection.com/auto-part/998049-gates-timing-belt-kit-gattck318
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I think it should be a permanent link to everyone who is asking questions "when should I change TB?"
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Just wanted to ad a few things to this thread. 98% of the time if your timing belt strips teeth like this..



You will either get bent valves, valves will break off and gernade the crap out of your engine. I have worked at a kia dealership for over 10 years. Have probably done over 150 kia rio engines (no joke) I have stacks of cylinder heads in my garage. But on 2 instances I have seen no damage at all, not even a nick on a valve. It depends how and when the teeth strip off.

The first thing to do is obviously pull the timing belt cover and just check to see how loose the belt is, most of the time the engines don't even turn over because the valves are stuck inbetween the head and piston. Pull the spark plugs, if they are pretty much intact you have a 80% chance all your going to need is just a cylinder head swap. You can get loaded cylinder heads at your local kia dealer (everyone stocks them) cost is 440 bucks, they will typically sell to you at 580-640 retail. All you will need is a head gasket, new belt, new head, plugs and some fluids. Dont even worry about the so called "stretch bolts" that dont even stretch, I have re-used so many sets. Doing a head job is incredibly easy. In fact I will do a full write up with detail pics so you guys can do this.

I just wanted to chime in on this, because the factory service manual says 5 years or 60,000 miles. Last MAY Kia came out with a maintnence schedual program for dealers, I was looking through it and noticed the schedual for timing belts on 01-05 Rios changed to 37,500 miles or 5 years. 2 Months later this schedual was gone. Now its pretty obvious that Kia knows there is a problem. I have seen belts strip out as early as 41,000 miles. As much as I love using Gates timing belts on most cars and Kia's I dont use them on Rio's. I've had good luck with Goodyear belts.

The last thing you guys want is crap like this laying around your garage.






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Interference and "Free-wheeling" or Non-Interference Engines

Just a clarification of this subject for all car owners.

Interference engines are constructed so that tolerances between pistons and valves as they move in relation to each other are so close that when the timing of the engine is disturbed ie. timing belt/chain breaks, the moving parts "interfere" with each other, hence the name interference engines.

You have to ask yourself why would car manufacturers put a rubber unit as opposed to a metal chain on this critical area of an engine. The answer is naturally COST. It's cheaper to manufacture a timing belt as opposed to a timing chain. A timing belt doesn't need lubrication. A timing chain does.

I can only speak from personal experience with cars that I've owned so please don't ask me if your car is an interference or non-interference engine.

I owned a 1995 BMW 318i that had an interference engine but had a timing chain. I owned a 1995 Fiat Panda that had a non-interference engine. For you Europeans on this forum you know what a Panda is. Loved that car by the way... The timing belt did break. Reason it broke was it was dry-rotted plus it had over 200K kilometers on it but I was able to fix this one... timed the engine... replaced the belt and kept going.

I don't know why there are a lot of problems here on this forum with timing belts but here's my two cents on them. I bought a used 2002 Kia Rio sedan with the 1.5L engine in it. Air conditioning and a 5 speed manual tranny and 69K miles on it. So far I've had to replace the right rear wheel bearing. I'm still on the brake pads when I bought the car. This was last year in May. To date I have a little over 93K miles on it and by the end of the year I'll close on 94K. Everything on this car is still original except the oil, oil filter, spark plugs, air filter (replaced original with a K&N) battery and tires. I just inspected the alternator, AC and timing belts and they look normal.

I've driven this car to its redline on several occasions having to merge with fast traffic and all and passing the occasional gas guzzler. I've never had any problems mentioned in these forums. Is it possible my car is not a Kia?

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I don't know why there are a lot of problems here on this forum with timing belts but here's my two cents on them. I bought a used 2002 Kia Rio sedan with the 1.5L engine in it. Air conditioning and a 5 speed manual tranny and 69K miles on it. So far I've had to replace the right rear wheel bearing. I'm still on the brake pads when I bought the car. This was last year in May. To date I have a little over 93K miles on it and by the end of the year I'll close on 94K. Everything on this car is still original except the oil, oil filter, spark plugs, air filter (replaced original with a K&N) battery and tires. I just inspected the alternator, AC and timing belts and they look normal.

I've driven this car to its redline on several occasions having to merge with fast traffic and all and passing the occasional gas guzzler. I've never had any problems mentioned in these forums. Is it possible my car is not a Kia?
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If you're not sure that the TB was changed at 60K miles, then it may be wise to do that now.

I wouldn't rely on the "looks" of the TB.

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Hey folks, thanks all for the great info on this topic.

I recently picked up an '02 Rio Cinco for a screaming good deal (I hope). I don't know the maintenance history, it's got 82K miles on it, so first order of business is a timing belt change. I'm registered at kiausa.com and have access to those manuals, and lots of good info in this thread. I think I can do it myself without too much trouble (I'm a decent backyard mechanic) but I have a couple basic questions:

1. Any special tools needed, besides the basics and a torque wrench?

2. Looks pretty tight under that hood, is access to everything with fat fingers pretty good? No need to pull the engine, right?

3. About how much should I expect to pay for the full belt kit? Shucks OK, or is there benefit to buying it from a Kia dealer?

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3. About how much should I expect to pay for the full belt kit? Shucks OK, or is there benefit to buying it from a Kia dealer?

Thanks all!
no difference. Of course get better one, because it has to survive 60k miles.
If you went to KIA dealer (or any good shop) than if the belt snapped, they would have to take responsibility for it.


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If you went to KIA dealer (or any good shop) than if the belt snapped, they would have to take responsibility for it.
Yup. They'll stand behind the belt, and labor's extra as with most shops. Read the warrenty with just about any part purchased at any auto parts dealer or warehouse.
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