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Old 09-14-2008, 11:08 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I am not worried about the block. In 27years of building engines i have only seen cracked blocks from 2 reasons; 1, freezing and 2, coming apart at high RPMs. Neither of those applies in this case.
I have seen cracked heads on what were good running engines several times...chances are they would have held for a long time if i hadn't been building them up and chanced across it. So i have never realy found a set of causes that cause heads to crack(other than over heating). But i have noticed that aluminum heads almost never just crack. Break apart or warp seems to cover Al.
Actually i found an entire engine gasket set on ebay for $40+12sh. I am going to take the water pump back off if they don't find something at the machine shop. I have only screwed up water pump installs a couple of times in all those years but you never know...i am getting older and starting to hate working on cars.
Actually this has totally screwed up my fly-fishing plans this month...gas going up again finnished them. I just wanted a good little put-put car when i bought this. I am REALY getting disheartened about it now. I should have kept searching for another fiero.
Bubba, did your coils have cracks in the towers going down to the high-tension leads? Both of mine were cracked but the resitance and voltage tests were still good? Just wondering here. The #4 plug was completely under oil. I hate that design. I am going to talk to my machine shop about putting some kind of tube or something in them to flow any oil back into the engine...I just don't see a good way to yet. Wish i had a spare head to play with...
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Old 09-14-2008, 11:22 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I couldn't see anything wrong with the coil packs. The plugs and wires were brand new so maybe the coils were too. The sparkplug well or what ever you call it was clean as a whistle too. No oil, water or dirt.

I said it once, but I'll say it again, people on this site all seem to have horrible problems with their Kias, but it makes sense. The ones without problems [both of them] are out enjoying life somewhere and complaining about something else. LOL.
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Old 09-15-2008, 08:48 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Well, Machine shop has the head. $35 to shave and inspect. My main guy there took a quick look and sprayed the head...no cracks, will do more later. Interesting conversation with him...he says that these new multi layer graphite head gaskets won't leave a noticeable failure??? The 2 head bolts with flakes of graphite show where the failure was. Is there any-one else who has done the gasket to verify this?
I learn something new all the time.
The head will be back tomorrow...then the real whining begins.
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Wow. These new engines are really fussy. I say "new", mainly because I haven't had the head off a car since about 1965. LOL. I was looking up this multi layer gasket and came across an article explaining why head gaskets fail. I guess there is just no room for error at all. They say you should re calibrate your torque wrench every two years and if you clean the head bolts in a tumble cleaner it might nick one and then it won't torque right. Better get that car down here to the space center so they can torque it down in a clean room. LOL.

This is interesting. At least it was to me.

Head Gasket Failure, Larry Carley, Underhood Service, August 2002
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That article doesn't have much that is new to me. I spent about 3hrs cleaning and checking the block surface out of habit. When it says not to use a scotchbrite pad though they didn't explain that there are pads that will not remove metal (on iron surfaces only!) because they are much softer than the metal. I can't remember the actual name of them but i do use them on the block to get the cleanest surface possible where you can see contamination left.
Most of the time you find that when checking with straight edge you get gaps over unclean areas and this can lead you to spots you need to clean better as well. I have only seen one iron block that wasn't flat enough to pass. Turned out that it had been sleeved before leading to the warping.
One of the biggest rules i was taught is to ALWAYS zero your torque wrench before putting it away. Temperature changes while stored at a setting will cause the true value to change. This zeroing greatly extends the accuracy life in seldom used wrenches as you can imagine. And i just change out my torque wrenches frequently enough to not have any real issue with value fluctuation. A good craftsman one isn't much more than lab testing fee.
I also wondered why they did not mention the radiator cap as being one of the biggest problems leading to over heating. The pressure value that they open at is extremely critical to internal temperatures. I have always said it is even more critical than the thermostat...exagerating a little. But the caps are very cheaply made on all cars (some exotics might have better) and tend to start opening at different pressures with time.
I love that this kia has 2 temperature openings and a very small by-pass hole built into it's thermostat. I have been drilling a VERY small hole in new thermostats for years to insure that there is no trapped air bubble to prevent thermostat opening. Most other "mechanics" scoff at me about it but i know what can happen.
I also say NEVER wire wheel head bolts. Use the scotchbright pad (stiffer variety medium grit) cut to one inch squares and installed on a dremil cut-off mandrel. This spins very nicely and is soft enough to insure no scratches or nicks.
And you notice that i already sent the head to the machine shop since it is aluminum.
The gasket that i removed was a multi-layer graphite type. There was some build-up in some of the steam holes which i carefully cleaned out as well. I use a bolt to chase the holes when they do not have to have sealant on them. Running it in and out spraying with carb cleaner between times gives a cleaner thread...insures that the tap doesn't catch on the threads and gall them. When i build a new block i usually spend a good day cleaning the garage and wash the floor to reduce dust and stuff so that should tell you something about my desire for clean engine building as well.
i have tried to get this block, and the area, as clean as i can before i start assembly. I probably won't start till tomorrow since i have a meeting tonight and the head won't be done till this after-noon.
Nice thread there though...never stop learning.

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Well i just got the head back. My machinist had to scramble. It took .009 inch to clean it up. The max before a new head is .012. He had to search down that number, and others, to make certain it was still usable. Basicly he said that next time i have to get a new head...let us hope there is no next time.
I think that the head gasket was definately the problem. Since i only put about 800miles on it since buying it my guess is that the previous owner knew something about it??? The whole time it hasn't been right to me.
Gotta go, cook dinner, over-see meeting then off to work tonight. Pray my fiero holds together a little longer. The suspenssion is shot from a curb hit last winter, the heater core is shot...the list goes on, but then again so does it when this kia won't.
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Well i almost have it back together again...
While playing with cams and checking lift and stuff i happened across very interesting data. The ignition is set at 4degrees BTDC in the cam specs them selves. This means that you must set the belt with the I on the intake (passenger) side in order to get correct firing at BTDC. (and E on other side)
PLEASE ignore my previous statements about it not mattering...IT DOES MATTER.
Next comes the install of the SPAL fan controller. The fan itself fit very nicely and required only a couple of holes to be drilled in the shroud for mounting right next to radiator, and one flat bar of aluminum. I am using a SPAL 16" fan as well.
The only 2 wires i haven't figured out is the ignition on wire and how to attach the battery positive side with these lousy post terminals.
Any suggestions as to a wire that i can tap for 12volts when ignition switch in on position? I have a couple of ideas, but with all the complaints about wiring i have read on here i am leery about what i should tap into. I am going to see if there are unused accessories in the fuse box. My Sportage seems to be lacking all the options available.
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