the moon clip is held flush to the winder itself and not to the door panel. its very flat - thinner than a regular washer. its impossible to see a full view of it - - you would have to look at it from inside the door panel (which is impossible). - you'd have to 'feel it' with a long slender flathead screw., its a bit tricky - bit ive gotten used to it. the door winder's insides may be scratched in the process - but nobody can see them anyway.
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